Sunday, October 12, 2008

McCain Defends Obama...to boos

16 comments:

_J_ said...

McCain needs to pick a fucking narrative and stick with it.

_J_ said...

Also, Racists say the cutest things.

Mike Lewis said...

Raceist Billbored

_J_ said...

Classy.

Andrew said...

I wanna ask McCain "how do you feel that every racist in america is voting for you? And how do you plan to mend the racial tensions that are being exposed in this election if you get elected?"

I really wanna see him try to answer that.
Or even better, Palin answer it.

_J_ said...

I want the first question to McCain in the third debate to be "Senator McCain, do you think Senator Obama is a secret Muslim?"

Unknown said...

The more important question being, "If Obama were a Muslim, would it matter?"

Mike Lewis said...

I Like Kyle's question a lot. It shouldn't matter, but it does. The United States has had one president who was not a Protestant. Despite there being congressional districts in Michigan with muslim populations that near 45%, there was not a muslim elected to congress until 2006 (from suburban Minneapolis.)

For a lot of people it does matter. They are still fighting the crusades, despite losing over and over and over again. We thing Vietnam War Worship is bad.

Unknown said...

Freedom of religion, unless you are running for public office...

Andrew said...

to mikey,
Lincoln was likely deist or atheist.
Most of the founding fathers were a combination of protestantism and deism, so it could be argued that they were still protestant.
Lincoln occasionally attended services with his wife, but really had no strong religious beliefs.
But i suppose he was still heavily influenced by protestantism, or some such thing.

Mike Lewis said...

here is the thing about calling the founders deists. This is something that is being applied to them after the fact. They would never of called themselves that.

Theses were men of the enlightenment, but the were still born and raised in an enlightenment world built on Protestantism. Lincoln, his case is far more complicated, but he to was born and raised in the world of enlightenment Protestantism.

Hell, JFK as well, despite being catholic was raised in the largely protestant united states.

When people say that the are ethnicity "american" or have "american ancestry, this is a call to that protestant centric judao-christian world. Obama is "scary" because he does not fit that model that every president before has. At least that is what people have been lead to believe. That is what all the fear-mongerng about his minster was back in the primary. Black Liberation Theory is not that happy-go-luck bullshit Christianity that is most of contemporary non-denominational evangelical Christianity

Andrew said...

Didn't jess do her comps on black liberation theology?

_J_ said...

The religion of the "Founding Fathers" changes every time some jackoff historian needs money and so fabricates new "proof" for a biography.

I've hung around academia for a while and I've yet to hear coherent, consistent articulations of who the Founding Fathers were; it changes depending upon who tells the story.

The only things that seem to remain consistent is that they were white, land owning, sexist, racists. But we excuse that because they had read Locke and, gosh darn it, we just loooooove Locke.

I don't know what religion they were. No one knows what religion they were. And you know what? It doesn't matter. Because it's 2008 and they're all dead.

So fuck 'em.

Andrew said...

Ah. welcome to the wonderful world of interpretation.
its all sunshine and puppies or it might be all death and destruction...
or somewhere in between... i dunno, ill ask someone else tomorrow...

Mike Lewis said...

the founders are a group of indpendant people who all had different beliefs.

Caleb said...

We're all individuals!