Thursday, August 30, 2007

Teach me, Conservapedia.

So, I'm reading the Young Earth Creationism article on conservapedia.com because I loathe myself. While reading this article, though, I have stumbled upon the genius that is conservapedia.

Within the article I found the sentence, "Young earth creationist scientists also believe that there are multiple lines of evidence from the field of geology showing that the earth is young." Since I was pretty sure that sentence was incorrect I sought out the 4 footnote links which provide support for it. The four links are to:
1)answersingenesis.org
2)www.creationism.org
3)nwcreation.net
4)globalflood.org

This is what made me realize the brilliance of conservapedia, Young Earth Creationism, and Religion as a whole. The brilliant position maintained by these ideological views is that they ignore everything that proves them wrong. They set the terms of the argument to be such that they can't be incorrect.

Think about that. How many times have you and I been shown to be wrong due to demonstrable fact, empirical observation, or appeals to recognized authority? The mistake we made, I now realize, is that we acknowledged these other sources as meaningful. We argued within a context in which people who don't agree with us can be correct.

And that's the mistake the likes of conservapedia, young earth creationists, religions, etc. refuse to make. They only acknowledge sources which agree with them. They frame the argument to be such that demonstrable fact and empirical observation are less meaningful than their own types of "evidence". If evidence is presented which is contrary to their own opinion then they attack the fundamental assumption which makes that evidence meaningful. If presented with a 2 billion year old fossil, for example, a young earth creationist would say, "That is not 2 billion years old." When confronted with the information obtained through carbon dating the young earth creationist would say, "That is incorrect. Carbon dating does not work."

Do you see how wonderful that view is? It's brilliant! It's inspired! Their world view is that they cannot be wrong, that any contrary evidence is fundamentally flawed because it is contrary!

Surely they are some of the most thoughtful and intelligent amoung us. And if we gathered up every god-damned one of them and threw them into a fucking volcano they would do naught but laugh politely and say, "Silly secularist. Lava is not hot!"

Brilliant.

Edit: I had to throw this quote in because it's so beautiful. This sentence comes from the "Starlight and the Age of the Universe" section of the conservapedia article:

"Thirdly, the work of young earth creationist scientist Dr. John Hartnett proposes an alternative, creationist view, by theorizing the Earth was trapped in a time-dilation field caused by extremely strong gravitation during the first few days of creation, from Earth's point of view, while billions of years passed for the rest of the universe. He attributes the field, it's removal and the continued balance in our solar system (after the field was removed) to divine intervention."

Why are other planets so much older than Earth? Why can we see starlight from millions of light-years away? Well, God put earth in a time bubble, you see.

14 comments:

Kylebrown said...

I heart circular logic. The bible is a bastion of fact because the bible says so!!!!

_J_ said...

It's terrific.

The thing I like about it is that they're arguing for an end-goal. Theirs is the view that Genesis must be literally correct, so how can they best view reality to support that assumption? And then they collect a bunch of not-science and say, "Huzzah!" or, rather, "Hallelujah!".

A point made on the wikipedia page is that many other cultures have their own creation myths, and Young Earth Creationists don't seem to address that or have an answer to the question, "Why don't we go with one of the other ones?"

Kylebrown said...

You have prompted me to take the time to read the wikipedia article (not conservapedia) on Young Earth Creationism. Wow, is all I can say.

And more importantly I must go to the Creation Museum soon! They have a saddled Triceratops for people to ride :)

_J_ said...

The wikipedia article is interesting. The conservapedia article is infuriating / hilarious.

Man, the Creation Museum tickets are like $75 each and it only has two little floors of idiocy. I'd go if I didn't have to pay.

_J_ said...

My favorite part of the whole conservapedia article, though, is the "time bubble" section.

Science!

MA17 said...

So they need to provide a non-divine-intervention explanation of how certain things happened to our planet (it was a bubble...of time!), but they're ok with "divine intervention" as being the agent? Why even talk about the time bubble when you've got GAWD AMIGHTY to fall back on? In fact, why seek to explain ANYTHING if you're just going to do whatever you want and use "god did it" to fill in the blanks?

I don't like using South Park as a reference, but these guys believe themselves to have perfectly good tummies to eat off of, yet they're bothering to build a damn table.

_J_ said...

I agree. If you're explanation is eventually going to say "god did it" then SAY "God Did It" and be done with it.

I like in the conservapedia article where they talk about science not letting religion dictate what they do...as if that was a fault.

MA17 said...

I don't know if this is true or not, but it certainly seems as though Christian Scientists refer to people who come up with theories about where the universe came from and what happened to extinct creatures. In other words, they sound like Christian Theoretical Historians more than what I'd call a scientist.

At any rate, I'd like to hear what Christian Scientists have to say about more current scientific issues, or at least ones that are able to be more conclusively tested. How would a Christian Scientist have approached the human genome project, for example? What would his diagram of the water cycle look like? How would his computer work? Do they do that kind of stuff?

_J_ said...

The only thing I know about Christian Scientists is that there was a white building in town next to the Library that had a Christian Scientists sign outside of it. The building was turn down when they added onto the library.

So, in my mind, library beats Christian Scientists. This puts an interesting spin on rock-paper-scissors.

Roscoe said...

Jay.. are you saying that.. you think 3 year olds are debate masters?

This is so!
"Nuh-uh."
But it is!
"Yoooor wrong."
But the facts!
"tantrum"

Roscoe said...

Did I tell you about the saddled triceratops, Kyle?

or someone else?

Roscoe said...

They were like 20 dollar, Jay!

20 dollars!

Where the hell did you get 75?

_J_ said...

Because $75 is a much higher number.

Kylebrown said...

the wikipedia article on young earth creationists told me so.