Fire Emblem
#10, Radiant Dawn, is out in the US. The Wrathburns own it, though I have to wait til Thanksgiving to see it with mine own eyes. This has the unfortunate effect of completely distracting me from most grade-related forms of productivity; but the point is that until I can get my hands on the game, I figured the next best thing would be to gush over it with other nerds. Cue gushing in comment thread.
And on the very off-chance that you don't know what FE is, pretend I just gave you a very witheringly pitying look, and then go Google it and reform yourself.
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Radiant Dawn
How do you have it but not have it?
It's at my home where I'm not currently at.
Curses!
Perhaps they could mail it to you?
Um. 7 siblings, one Wii, one brand-spankin'-new FE: 10 game. You do the math. I'd be an 18th-year senior by the time *that* package arrived!
The FE's have nothing on the Shining Forces or the Ogre series (which I will include FFT in because I can).
I actually prefer the Front Missions to the FE's also.
Just one man's humble opinion.
Fire Emblem is teh fun.
Also, kylebrown, have you seen the Front Mission remake for the DS?
The FE's have nothing on the Shining Forces or the Ogre series (which I will include FFT in because I can).
I won't deny your ability to put FFT into the Ogre series.
I will, however, ask how and why you did this.
7 siblings
Holy Crap.
You're in for a world of hurt.
7 siblings each playing a game wherein Death Is Death.
World. Of. Hurt.
Team Quest was bought out by Square, pre-Enixing.
Team Quest made FFT.
is a direct line of lineage.
Especially with all the bastardized references in the background, that no one ever sees.
is a direct line of lineage.
Can I declare that lineages do not exist with regard to video games?
Because without that declaration HellGate London is realated to Diablo II.
And FUCK that noise.
Ivalice is actually a part of the Ogre world, most people just dont' realize it.
Ivalice is actually a part of the Ogre world, most people just dont' realize it.
O rly?
Ivalice (イヴァリース, Ivarīsu?) is a fictional location in the Final Fantasy XII, Final Fantasy Tactics and Vagrant Story universes. The world was conceived by Yasumi Matsuno when he joined Square Co., Ltd. (now Square Enix Co., Ltd.) in 1995, and has since been expanded upon by several games, with more yet due with the Ivalice Alliance series. Ivalice is described as a complex world with a very long history, and the stories of Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics, and Final Fantasy XII are said to unfold quite close on the Ivalice map.
There is a front mission for the DS!?!?!? has it been translated to english?
If so, I'm off to Fry's
October 23rd NA release date
look at the city names of Ivalice and the city names in the Ogre world. Then come back. You speak not of what you know.
Technically square owns the name Ivalice, but it existed originally in the Ogre world.
Speaking of front mission, adam, there is still a position open in my home for a Japanese translator to translate FM5 for me at the first available moment.
You speak not of what you know.
That's hardly unprecidented territory.
Technically square owns the name Ivalice, but it existed originally in the Ogre world.
Then why would the wiki make no mention of this?
Vagrant Story was in goddamned Ivalice!?
Oh, now, I'm cranky. Mikey's going to come all up in this place and Mike up my little country.
Crank. Crank. Crank.
Wauuugh.
Because the name Ivalice was never used in the ogre world. The ridiculous amount of similarities however allow me to state that FFT is a part of Ogre series.
God damn it. I hate when my comments don't post.
I don't think it is the case that Ivalice is a part of Ogre World. I think it is the case that Yasumi Matsuno created each seperate and distinct world but duplicated some names / aspects.
Sort of like how Akira Toriyama draws very similar characters for his manga / video game characters. But I'm not going to argue that his Dragonball or Dragon Ball Z characters exist within the same reality as, say, the Dragon Quest VIII characters.
If one guy creates multiple worlds it's not the case that they all exist within the same realm, or are the same thing. It's possible that the creator is just a one trick pony and keeps creating the same thing as a seperate and distinct entity across different game series.
Does Toriyama utilize the same names in his works?
pre-translation, I mean?
Becuase, all of the Ivalice works are in the same world, despite discrepencies like the sex change of the saint between Vagrant Story and FFT
or the shift in time between Tactics and Tactics PSP.
If so, then I'll grant your argument. But I suspect not.
all of the Ivalice works are in the same world
That's fine. But it does not appear as if any of the Ogre series takes place in that same world.
So, sure, all of the Ivalice works are in the same world, but those works are only the FFT / Vagrant Story universes.
Unless Vagrant story / ogre series are the same thing, but they do not appear to be.
Missing my point.
You're pointing at discrepencies to claim that the Ogre Games aren't in Ivalice.
I'm pointing at discrepencies to note that Ivalice games aren't faithful to one single iteration of Ivalice.
I mean, you're accounting for Final Fantasty Tactics Advance,which is literally a made up fantasy world within a book.
But not for Ogre Battle / Tactics Ogre, which include numerous landmarks and cities?
Kyle can fact check this for me, but I'm nearly certain that at least one of the Lucavi are named for unique evil demons in Ogre Battle.
You are correct sir, not to mention a reality in which ninjas, samurai, knights, mages, clerics, archers, and dark knights all coexist. The only difference between the ogre continuity and Ivalice is that Matsuno integrated a few FF staples to give it the FF feel, i.e. chocobos, and black/white mages as opposed to wizards/priests. None of the FF integration really has any effect on the game, it just gives it the look/feel he wanted to keep it within the FF context.
Ivalice is merely a progression of the Ogre continuity. I challenge you to actually play (Ogre Battle: March of The Black Queen or Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) and Final Fantasy Tactics, and then make your argument otherwise.
Wikipedia is a fantastic source of information, but a primary source it is not, and therefore doesn't give you a leg to stand on in this case.
I would never argue philosophy with you based purely on what I have learned from wikipedia for the same reasons.
In FFT mid chapter 3, the hero receives a book that is basically the dead sea scrolls of the game's church, called the Germonique Scriptures. When one reads them it explains the history of an extremely important plot device known as the Zodiac stones. It tells the story of the Zodiac Braves, one for each stone, which came to the kingdom to save it from the brink of disaster.
Anyways the Germonique Scriptures explain the stones, which just so happen to coexist in the Ogre continuity, and are necessary for the perfect ending in Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen. To add to this the just so happen to be 12 White Wizards who long ago fought with the humans against the mythical ogres in battle long before the game.
The two games have almost identical world histories that revolve around the zodiac stones. This isn't merely coincidence, Matsuno decided to make FFT the logical progression in his time line.
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